Hi all,

I'm looking for a little advice, as spoiler free as possible please

I've gotten to the stage AGONY on the cycles and the brothers have started killing the sisters, i have about 16 hearts/glyphs but i don't have the one that lets me challenge the brothers, i've killed Whaler and Warden because they both atacked me and on my most recent save Montgolfier is about to attack me, he beat me the first time with his AOE attack cos i wasn't expecting it.

I think i'm in a position where i have enough colour to defeat him if i reload but i'm starting to worry that this game has gone very wrong, there are only about 3 sisters left that aren't dead now...

Can you still finish the game from this situation?
Will the brothers kill ALL the sisters if i don't stop them?
And if that happens is it pretty much game over?

And where/when should i have obtained the glyph that lets me challange the brothers? Have i missed something obvious?

About challenging the brothers: It's ok, somehow you can use the glyph even if you don't have the heart yet.

About Montgolfiers AOE: There is a spiral path that brings you to higher ground. There you should be safe from his AOE.

But you probably should restart anyway. When a sister is dead her chambers won't have any colour anymore (I think)

I think your right about this, or at least try to find an older save anyways.

Oh, and I realised the Ordalia heart was in the Adit and i just didn't notice it when i first should have....

It is!? Shoot, that would have saved me some time ... I wonder what causes it to be there. Because you can go there right away (I think I did, in my first game just to see it), but I don't recall it being there. Maybe it spawns later?

As far as advice, you probably want to back up a few saves, you should be able to keep all the sisters alive to insure you have plenty of color in the end. I personally think you should always be able to challenge the brothers, glyph or no. But maybe that goes a sense of helplessness you're supposed to be cultivating ... hmm ...

I didn't think you could enter Adit till after the first 'surface' part... i could be wrong...
thats where i found the heart anyway and it would make sense that about that time you would gain the ability to challenge brothers.

Yeah, i have a lot of saves, so i can go back if i need to.
I saw that game through to the end just for the experience anyways, even though i stood no chance of a 'good' ending.

Think i might plan a proper playthrough for this weekend, give at another shot from the beginning

I don't think I ever visited the Adit, except once, and that wasn't by choice! I was transported there, quite a few cycles before the Brothers announced they were going to interrogate the Sisters, and one or two before 'Confusion', and one of the colours (Amber I think) started talking to me, instructing me that it was time to start slaying the brothers one by one. I started at the top of a long staircase and when I reached the bottom I saw the heart there and the exit back to the Void. I didn't know where I was and assumed it was a one-off location for Amber's dialogue with me, but I think that's when I picked it up.

That and the event that kicked off 'Confusion' was all I needed to begin my carnage.

Yeah that is Adit, my problem was that at that stage in the game i accidently fell to the bottom and didn't see the heart, then just went back into the void...